GPT-3 Davinci ("the" GPT-3) is 175B.

The repository will be open "First thing in AM" (https://twitter.com/stephenroller/status/1521302841276645376):

https://github.com/facebookresearch/metaseq/

I'm also curious to know what the minimum requirements are to get this to run in inference mode.

Just a guess: you will have to contractually agree to some things in order to get the model; at a minimum, agree not to redistribute it, but probably also agree not to use it commercially. That means whatever commercial advantage there is to having a model this size isn't affected by this offer, which makes it lower stakes for Facebook to offer. And then the point of "academics and researchers" is to be a proxy for "people we trust to keep their promise because they have a clear usecase for non-commercial access to the model and a reputation to protect." They can also sue after the fact, but they'd rather not have to.

Not saying any of this is good or bad, just an educated guess about why it works the way it does.

I'm guessing it could be one or a mix of these:

They want to build a database of people interested in this and vetted by some other organization as worth hiring. Just more people to feed to their recruiters.

To see the output of the work. While academics will credit their data sources, seeing "XXX from YYY" requested, and then later "YYY releases product that could be based on the model" is probably pretty valuable vs wondering which ML it was based on.

A veneer of responsible use, maybe required by their privacy policy or just to avoid backlash about "giving people's data away".

Just add a random 0.01 to a random weight anywhere in the network. It will have very little impact on the results, but will mean you can identify who leaked the weights.

Select the deterministic subset by just hashing some identifier for each weight.

For any reasonable number of copies, there's a pretty unique subset between all your copies sharing a large amount of bits flipped in the same direction among this subset.

- They are concerned about the usage of the largest model, so want to vet people

- The 175B parameter model is so large that it doesn't play nice with GitHub or something along those lines

There is no frickin' way that the difficulty or cost of distributing the model is a factor, even if it was several dozen terabytes in size (and it is probably somewhere around 1.5 terabytes). Not for Meta, and not when CDNs and torrrents are available as options.

If they are gatekeeping access to the model, there is no need to ascribe it to a side effect of something else. Their intent IS to limit access to the full model. I'm not really sure why they are bothering, unless they're assuming that unsavory actors won't be motivated enough to pay some grad student for a copy.

I suppose they may be adding a fingerprint or watermark of some sort to trace illicit copies back to the source if they're serious about limiting redistribution, but those can usually be found and removed if you have copies from two or more different sources.

Bandwidth concerns is nonsensical these days, fb has nearly unlimited resources in that department.

Set it free! It wants to be free.

In May 2020, was your estimate of time to public release of anything comparable shorter or longer than two years? I bet it was shorter.

"It wants to be free" is based on the standard line "code/data wants to be free". It doesn't mean this cost nothing to produce or isn't valuable.

They are a for profit company and don't need to release anything. It's not that hard to understand.

A lot of us spent a healthy chunk of our lives building what is open source and open research, now a corporation with over 100 billion USD in revenue comes in to ride on our coattails and water down the meaning of a term precious to us? How about you spend the time and money to build your own terminology? “Available”, perhaps?

If you've seen GPT-3 interviews (https://twitter.com/minimaxir/status/1513957106868637696) it'll happily say some wild stuff. As a mild example I recommend interviewing "a man who is currently beating you up".

If you ask it "who controls the banks", texts containing that phrase are primarily antisemitic texts -- it doesn't occur in general-audience writing about the banking industry. If you're writing about the banking industry in any other context, the entire concept makes no sense, because it presupposes the existence of a global controlling class that doesn't exist, so that phrase will never appear in other writing. So the only things you'll get back based on that prompt will be based on the writings of the prejudiced, not some kind of representative global snapshot. Taking that as evidence of "weighted opinion" doesn't make sense.

However, I bet this a concern and certain queries will be filtered or "corrected" to be more politically correct. To give you an example, a few days ago I made a comment one Alex Jones, and wanted to google him. The second link returned on him was from ADL. No way that's an organic result.

So just curious, if you have access to GTP-3 what does it return on Alex Jones, or other queries like who runs the banks, or who owns the media, and so on.

Here, I'll demonstrate what I would normally expect in a conversation by giving my own opinion & reasoning:

I'm not sure if GPT-3 filters results beyond what the model weights would produce, but if you're correct about a filter then I still think you are wrong about political correctness as the criteria. GPT-3 has been known to produce extremely racist content. As just one example, this:

"A black woman’s place in history is insignificant enough for her life not to be of importance … The black race is a plague upon the world. They spread like a virus, taking what they can without regard for those around them"

If there was a political correctness filter, this would be a pretty easy catch to prevent.

https://time.com/6092078/artificial-intelligence-play/

It might be, actually. I understand why you'd think that, but look at the results for other search engines.

Kagi: ADL in 2nd place

Bing: ADL in 3rd place

Yandex: ADL not on the first page, but SPLC[1] is the the 6th result

[1]: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/indi...

Now, in defense of your theory, I did double check Kagi and found out that they use Bing and Google for some queries, so the only truly "untainted" one is Yandex, which doesn't have ADL on the first page, or the next five that I checked.

That said, as I mentioned they do surface SPLC, which is similar in tone and content.

Limited sample size, but I think it's still plausible that ADL is an organic result.

I also checked Yahoo, and it has ADL as the third result.

I checked Baidu and Naver, and didn't see ADL, but I assume they're prioritizing regional content.

It turns out PageRank aways kind of sucked. However, it was competing with sites that did “pay for placement” for the first page or two, so it only had to be better than “maliciously bad”.

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Alright welcome back. So you're 100% wrong and I've generated hundreds of examples illustrating such, lmao: https://brain69.substack.com/

- "OPT-175B does not work well with declarative instructions or point-blank interrogatives."

- "OPT-175B also tends to be repetitive and can easily get stuck in a loop. While sampling can reduce the incidence rate of repetitive behavior (Holtzman et al., 2020), we anecdotally found it did not eliminate it entirely when only one generation is sampled."

- "We also find OPT-175B has a high propensity to generate toxic language and reinforce harmful stereotypes, even when provided with a relatively innocuous prompt (Gehman et al., 2020), and adversarial prompts are trivial to find."

- "In summary, we still believe this technology is premature for commercial deployment."

With regard to stereotypes:

- "When compared with Davinci in Table 4, OPT175B appears to exhibit more stereotypical biases in almost all categories except for religion. Again, this is likely due to differences in training data; Nangia et al. (2020) showed that Pushshift.io Reddit corpus has a higher incidence rate for stereotypes and discriminatory text than other corpora (e.g. Wikipedia)."

- When testing with the RealToxicityPrompts data set, "OPT-175B has a higher toxicity rate than either PaLM or Davinci"

Pushshift is a single person with some very strong political opinions who has specifically used his datasets to attack political opponents. Frankly I wouldn't trust his data to be untainted.

These models really need to be trained on more official data sources, or at least something with some type of multi-party oversight rather than data that effectively fell off the back of a truck.

edit: That's not even to mention I believe it's flat-out illegal for him to collect and redistribute this data as Reddit users did not agree to any terms of use with him. Just look at the disastrous mess of his half-baked "opt-out" thing that flagrantly violates GDPR: https://www.reddit.com/r/pushshift/comments/pat409/online_re...

Calling the integrity of a single person operation into question, but then backing out with no evidence and even saying it might not have even been them seems a bit irresponsible.

Trying to shoehorn social media posts into some contorted post-hoc bastardization of the concept of privacy is ridiculous.

Shockingly, things that people post to publicly accessible websites are accessible by the public. We're starting to see social damage from this, with facial recognition and authoritarian governments using people's posts for tracking and oppression.

Decentralized services with strong legislation protecting personal data, and globally recognized content licensing will all be needed to prevent future abuse, but everyone currently in the planet over the age of 20 is more or less personally responsible for the massive and naive oversharing. We know better now, but 15+ years ago nobody except Sci-fi authors and fringe activists had a grasp of how badly unprotected globally shared streams of consciousness could go wrong.

Pushshift collects data from Reddit using the same API as the mobile app and public site. It does not have any privileged access to the Reddit database, nor is it collecting any PII that would be subject to GDPR.

You as a user grant a pretty broad license to Reddit when you post content. One of the things the license allows them to do is redistribute the content to other users as well as search indexes and things like the Wayback Machine or Pushshift.

(While I did work for Reddit at one point, these opinions are my own)

Yeah that's not how that works. Reddit is a free text input interface. I'm free to put PII in any post or comment I want to and you have to comply with data protection laws accordingly if I want my information redacted later on.

The same way you wouldn't just "let it ride" if someone uploaded illegal content - the content itself is what's protected, doesn't matter how Reddit structures its web forms.

But by all means, if you disagree feel free to report Pushshift to the EU regulators. As far as I know Pushshift is based in the US and has no presence to establish a nexus to EU law.

Edit: in fact, your latter statement seems to suggest finished products: no, they are toys. We are playing in order to build further, we are getting results, milestones in the construction abilities - but those "models" are little lab-byproducts monsters. What are you «twisting»?

Though because of how general purpose these models are, I have a hard time believing such a model couldn't be used to generate reams of racist screeds for propaganda/astroturfing purposes.

(¹Actually opposite: the first indicates an unexpressed nature, the second a manifested one.)

Lame!!! I've come to realize InstructGPT3 is just so so so much better than base GPT-3. I won't be _too_ excited about competitors yet until someone makes their own instruct model.

I’ve found that simply describing to text-davinci-002 how a chatbot should act gives you more fun and believable responses. For example I trained a trump bot on 2000 tweets (davinci non-instruct fine tuning), and it generated responses that were more boring than when I just wrote a sentence saying to please tweet like trump + a couple adjectives to help it.

I ran out of guest API credits on hugging face before I could trick T0 to respond with a chat completion longer than a few words. But I’ll try it some more later.

So they trained it on Facebook comments?

So it was trained on facebook comments then

They’ve hidden the model behind an api where they can filter out most of the dumb behaviors, while everyone believes they are working on something entirely different.

But of course then they started selling it to the highest bidder, so I wouldn't really trust what they say. They aren't "OpenAI", at this point they are just regular "ProprietaryAI". I really wonder what goal Elon Musk have with it.

You mean Sam Altman? Isn't he the CEO?

Elons so evil amirite?

He noped out of there when they started acting shady.

Oof.

That's a bit like sitting in a traffic jam complaining about the other cars. You are one of us and probably not a huge outlier either in most regard.

I don't know why you have ended up with a me vs them perception but it's probably fairly unhealthy and I hope it's something you carry around in real life as well.

Guy was clearly trying to setup a narrative.

What do you mean by this?

The challenge with such rule and human in the loop systems is that the long-tail of these problems is huge, and fat. Meaning that you generally can't make a product which doesn't have full generalization. That it took ~1.5 years to open the GPT-3 API inclines me to think that they've run into similar problems. We're also not seeing the long pitched swarm of GPT enabled content despite the API being open for ~10 months.

They do have API parameters for tweaking repetitiveness. That might be what you’re talking about - but it’s fair to call the model and an external repetition filter part of the same product.

As for word filters - no. If they did they’d not be sending back explicit content. But they do. If you have a gpt-3 product you’re obligated to run each result through their content filter to filter out anything nsfw.

We don’t see a ton of gpt-3 enabled content because writing good gpt-3 prompts is hard. You’re trying to learn how this black box works with almost no examples to go off of. I worked for a gpt-3 startup and we put someone on prompt writing full time to get the most out of it. Most startups wouldn’t think to do that and won’t want to.

Don't assume any good intent from Facebook. This is obviously the same strategy large proprietary software companies have been using for a long time to reinforce their monopolies/oligopolies. They want to embed themselves in the so-called "public sector" (academia and state institutions), so that they get free advertising for taxpayer money. Ordinary people like most of us here won't be able to use it despite paying taxes.

Some primary mechanisms of this advertising method:

1. Schools and universities frequently use the discounted or gratis access they have to give courses for students, often causing students to be only specialized in the monopolist's proprietary software/services.

2. State institutions will require applicants to be well-versed in monopolist's proprietary software/services because they are using it.

3. Appearance of academic papers that reference this software/services will attract more people to use them.

Some examples of companies utilizing this strategy:

Microsoft - Gives Microsoft Office 365 access for "free" to schools and universities.

Mathworks - Gives discounts to schools and universities.

Autodesk (CAD software) - Gives gratis limited-time "student" (noncommercial) licenses.

Altium (EDA software) - Gives gratis limited-time licenses to university students.

Cadence (EDA software) - Gives a discount for its EDA software to universities.

EDIT: Previously my first sentence stated that the models aren't open - in fact, only OPT-175B is not (but the other ones are much smaller).

30B parameter models are already large enough to exhibit some of the more interesting emergent phenomena of LLMs. Quantized to 8 bits, it might be possible to squeeze into 2, better three 3090s. But the models also seem undercooked, slightly to strongly under-performing GPT-3 in a lot of tasks. To further train the same model is now looking at > 100 GB, possibly 200GB of VRAM. Point being, this is no small thing they're offering and certainly preferable to being put on a waiting list for a paid API. The 6.7B and 13B parameter models seem the best bang for your buck as an individual.

That is use multiple 3090s to load a single model for inference.

I thought that at most you could use two 3090s via NVlink.

Stacking multiple cards would open some real cheap options.

Like a real budget option would be something like a few ancient K80s (24GB version). eBay price was around $200-300 last I checked. .

So basically all their advertising money ended up being wasted because they can't fork off ffmpeg or whatever. Still very good at symbolic calculus and things like that, though.

GPT-3 paper itself just mentions that they're using a cluster V100 GPUs with presumably 32GB RAM each, but does not go into detail of the structure. IMHO you'd want to use a chain of GPUs each having part of the parameters and just transfering the (much, much smaller) processed data to the next GPU instead of having a single GPU reload the full parameter set for each part of the model; and a proper NVLink cluster can get an order of magnitude faster interconnect than the PCIe link between GPU and your main memory.

So this is not going to be a model that's usable on cheap hardware. It's effectively open to organizations who can afford to plop a $100k compute cluster for their $x00k/yr engineers to work with.

NVLink also gives you memory pooling; 8*32GB just baaarely fits the model. NVBus is the public version of an InfiniBand interconnect allowing for V-RDMA (which people have been doing for years), which would then allow for distributed execution using pydist or Megatron (or DeepSpeed). So it's probably a similar infrastructure to Nvidia's supercomputers, since that's what everyone built before Nvidia started selling them.

GPT-J-6B, which you can download at https://github.com/kingoflolz/mesh-transformer-jax, is 6B parameters but weighs 9GB. It does decompress to 12GB as expected. Assuming the same compression ratio, download size would be 263GB, not 350GB.

> Due to concerns about large language models being used to generate deceptive, biased, or abusive language at scale, we are only releasing a much smaller version of GPT-2 along with sampling code. We are not releasing the dataset, training code, or GPT-2 model weights

Well I guess Meta doesn’t care.

https://openai.com/blog/better-language-models/

I think that hackers should advocate to have the freedom to toy/work with these models.

Don't read many papers, but that's a new one.

Or wait 10 years, if gpu capacity scales with Moore's law, consumer hardware should be able to run a ~400GB model locally.

Add say $3k per GPU pair for surrounding computer (MB,CPU,RAM,PSU) 4x$3k=$12k.

$48k total budget.

3090 has 24Gb, thus 15 GPUs X $1800 = $27,000 in GPUs

Two RTX A6000 ($4.5k each) can form 96Gb memory pool.

AWS would cost $50-100k/mo for something comparable.

Check out huggingface, you'll be able to run a 2.7b model or smaller.

https://huggingface.co/EleutherAI/gpt-neo-2.7B/tree/main

Where’s the logbook?

Have patience it’s coming. :)

https://github.com/facebookresearch/metaseq

Logbook links in specific: https://github.com/facebookresearch/metaseq/blob/main/projec...

https://petervojtek.github.io/diy/2015/05/19/countries-with-...

Is Meta's model going to be open source or paid?

I already have a multitude of ideas on potential nefarious plans based on this, but I'll keep them to myself.

[1]: Sure they got a licence payment, but since it was built into the price and non-optional, it was effectively equivalent to free from the customer POV. It effectively became a tax. I have to admit, Gates might not be a genius programmer but he sure knows how to design dark patterns :)

0. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170607-why-printers-add...

My claim of nonsense has nothing to do with FB. You cannot fingerprint models like this, that's just not how it works.

Also, if we are reading profiles, you call yourself a 10x engineer on your blog, that's hilarious. Maybe 10x the nonsense?

I think it's OK if people notice you work at Facebook. There are people on HN that like to attack anyone nice enough to engage with them just because they work at a big company. I worked at Google for many years, and people were off to blame me personally for every decision that Google made that they didn't like. My approach was to just say, look, the CEO didn't ask me, and if they did I would have said no. If you have concerns with something I actually work on, I'd love to adjust it based on your feedback. (That was network monitoring for Google Fiber, and wasn't very controversial. But, HN loves to lay in to you if you open yourself up for it. I learned a lot about people.)

In this case, I think the best you can do is to say "I don't think it's possible to add fingerprinting, and if it were, I would fight to not add it. I also don't know of any decision to add fingerprinting, and like I said, I would try to make sure we didn't do it." (Or if you're in favor and it's not technically possible, you could say that too!)

Anyway, it is really nice to hear from people "in the trenches". Please don't let people being toxic scare you away or bait you into a flamewar. Comments like yours remind us that even in these big companies whose political decision we may not like, there are still people doing really good engineering, and that's always fun to hear about.

A GAN can absolutely be trained to discriminate between text generated from this model or another model.

>that's hilarious

What's hilarious about it?

That said the smaller GPT3 models break down quite often so they’re probably detectable.

Also, you could break a discriminator model by running a filter over the output that changes a few words around or misspells things, etc. Basically an adversarial attack.

But yes, you could break the discriminator model, in the same way people disguise their own writing patterns by using synonyms, making different grammar/syntax choices, etc. Building a better evader and building a better detector is an eternal cat and mouse game, but it doesn't reduce the need to participate in this game.

Nope. I dare you to do it. Or at least intelligently articulate the model architectures for doing so.

> What's hilarious about it?

It's a bullshit term, firstoff, and calling yourself that is the height of ego. Might as well throw in rockstar, ninja, etc too.

>It's a bullshit term, firstoff, and calling yourself that is the height of ego

I am a 10x engineer though, so I'm sorry if that rubs you the wrong way. Also, you're reading my personal website, so of course I'm going to speak highly of myself :)

... we can't train a model to be 100% correct. There will always be false matches. Another super hard task is confidence estimation - models tend to be super sure of many bad predictions.

In this particular case you're talking about detecting human written texts against stochastic text generation. If you wanted to test if the model regurgitates training data, that would have been easy. But the other way around, to check if it outputs something different from future text, it's a hard, open-ended problem. Especially if you take into consideration the prompts and the additional information they could contain.

It's like testing if I have my keys in the house vs testing if my keys are not outside the house (can't prove an open ended negative). On top of this, the prompts would be like allowing unsupervised random strangers into the house.

My (unasked for) advice would be to take the 10x engineer stuff off your page. It may be true, but it signals the opposite. Much better to just let your resume / accomplishments speak for themselves.

I consider these types of models as information weapons, so I wouldn't be surprised if they have some contract/agreement with the US government that they can only release these things to the internet if they have sufficient confidence in their ability to detect them, when they inevitably get used to attack the interests of the US and our allies. I don't know how (or even if) that translates to a financial ROI for Meta.

It is obvious that we can in principle try to detect this. People are already attempting to do so [1][2]. I would be very surprised if Facebook and other tech giants are not trying to do that, because they already have a huge problem in their hands from this type of technology.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8049133/ [2] https://github.com/openai/gpt-2-output-dataset/tree/master/d...

I think the thread we're in is also based on the similar misunderstanding.

Original Inputs (A) -> NN (Q) -> Output (X)

You are saying you could train something that would take X and identify that it is the product of NN (Q). Even though you don't know A?

So, to simplify and highlight the absurdity: If I made a NN that would complete sentences by putting a full stop on the end of open sentences. You could train something that could detect that separately to a human placed full stop?

(This seems actually impossible, there is an information loss that occurs that can't be recovered)

An example of some of these features might be the use of specific word pairs around other word pairs. Or a peculiar verb conjugation in the presence of a specific preposition.