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Mutlimodal neural networks converge to a shared statistical model of reality (arxiv.org)
34 points by ignoramous on May 15, 2024 | hide | past | pdf | 6 comments on HN

In plain words: As AI models grow larger and see more data, their ways of organizing information become more alike across image and text systems. The bigger they get, the more similarly they judge which data points are close, hinting at one shared picture of reality.

Abstract · The Platonic Representation Hypothesis

We argue that representations in AI models, particularly deep networks, are converging. First, we survey many examples of convergence in the literature: over time and across multiple domains, the ways by which different neural networks represent data are becoming more aligned. Next, we demonstrate convergence across data modalities: as vision models and language models get larger, they measure distance between datapoints in a more and more alike way. We hypothesize that this convergence is driving toward a shared statistical model of reality, akin to Plato's concept of an ideal reality. We term such a representation the platonic representation and discuss several possible selective pressures toward it. Finally, we discuss the implications of these trends, their limitations, and counterexamples to our analysis.

Minyoung Huh, Brian Cheung, Tongzhou Wang, Phillip Isola
arXiv:2405.07987 · cs.LG, cs.AI, cs.CV, cs.NE · submitted May 13, 2024 · updated Jul 25, 2024
abstract · pdf · html · Equal contributions. Project: https://phillipi.github.io/prh/ Code: https://github.com/minyoungg/platonic-rep

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Also discussed: Apr 2026 (2 points, 1 comment)

While I largely agree with the premise of a converged multimodal world model, I'd argue it's more like Plato's images/eikons than the ideal forms/eidelons. The representations don't seem to be lossless, and instead derive fidelity from the parameter scale.

If we had these representations converge in a real computing neural network, maybe then we could argue that they were Plato's ideals a step above the corrupted quantization of physical forms. But as they are right now, the representations are an even more reduced representations of the physical originals.

Still very neat that it's happening though.

> We hypothesize that this convergence is driving toward a shared statistical model of reality, akin to Plato's concept of an ideal reality

Quite the opposite: it's a shallow shadow (no meanings, just chains) model of shadow reality captured (no translation to abstract) by language (only things for which we have names) etc. What they wish is a model of actual reality, not of that one from distorting mirrors.

The sanity is in what the one source of truth is - not like people could be a shadows of some ideal model being a reality (edit: statistical). However people actions are mostly results of using models (of situation, reality) and making them ad hoc.

We humans model a ton of reality with language
This reminds me of how, if I recall correctly, in the original paper on adversarial attacks, the authors found that adversarial attacks on one neural network would generally have some success on other neural networks if they were trained for similar tasks (say, labeling images).
.. and that's so far away from Plato's concept of an ideal reality.. (two worlds away ?)

- that shared statistical model of reality is disconnected from physical and from abstract worlds (Popper's* world 1 and 3 platonic) and reflects (so far hallucinations are not alive) Popper's ‘world 2’ only - of subjective experiences - reduced to shared weight and vectors.

* https://tannerlectures.utah.edu/_resources/documents/a-to-z/...

Moreover, that belief in ideal reality model they wish they have.. lead to destining some hallucination to take over subjectives or their reasons.